Will Sony destroy MCU ?? It's just that I'm really wary how will this turn out . I'm not hating on Sony but the past movies they have makes me wanna flip the table after I received this news .
how r they gonna do this without the symbiote story first?
while I appreciate your curiosity with separated universes,Sony is just terrible with the Spider-Man movies
Nope Venom movie and Spider-Man: Homecoming do take place in the same universe & are connected . they may be different locations, but it will still all be in the same world. Kevin Feige confirmed that the vemon movie wouldn’t be set within the MCU . Also carnage will be in vemons movie can't wait !!!
whatever, sony is basically on their death bed so they need to just let disney buy them already.
I feel these is the MCU try a Rated R movie In their universe without actually taking a risk.
Just please keep him rated R please.
I'm really excited to hear this - although, I agree; I would've been curious to see what Sony would've done with a Venom universe. Could've given us some interesting new takes on the character - and I think they could've done it without Spiderman, if they were to go with the Flash Thompson Venom. Would've also been interesting to see what interactions between Venom and Black Cat/Silver Sable would be like in a world without Spiderman...Still, this news has actually gotten me hyped for Phase 4 - which I didn't expect. :)
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Did you watch the video, John? Geiger was caught unawares.
Watch the Marvel Sony deal end, and Sony throws Tom Holland into their movie universe that has no connections to the MCU. The Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance method of rebooting.
Why would anyone be 'curious' about this fuckery?
Thank god. Hopefully they do Venom and Black Cat justice.
It's simple. They can't use or mention MCU characters in these films. But they can use Peter Parker / Spiderman / Tom Holland.
+Pedro Guida No, they'll refernce things in the Mcu but probably will never cross over until phase 4 or 5 or something. Like the Netflix but they'll crossover later this phase or early next phase.
"Jointly" is a bit of a stretch John. You know that Fiege is a showman and he would NEVER let this news come out this way. I'm really surprised that you are grabbing onto this hook line and sinker. I'm not saying it couldn't be true, but Fiege is clearly blindsided here. Even if it's true this is not how he would have wanted it to get out.
What a clickbaity title, I think it was clear for Feige's face that she had no idea what she was talking about they didn't 'jointly' let anything be known. Amy was just running her mouth and Feige just sat there uncomfortably.
Ok this doesn't make any sense
mos def don't like. an r rated venomverse could have been well intriguing especially if they could make deals to take all the most notable and viscous characters with ruthless worlds like Blade and Moon Knight, the type of characters Netflix would mostly go after and bargain characters like Doc Oc or Scorpion cause the MCEU always use their villians to put the heroes over. for those who say "what about Baron Zimo??", can we really say he's a villain cause he seemed more like an anti-hero to me. but it's whatever..
john stop being a pussy. venom without spiderman would be AWFUL. THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD MAKE THAT GOOD. imagine a vegeta movie with no goku. joker movie where batman does not exist, L without Light Yagami. defeats the point of the character existing. the fox xmen films are also awful because characters and storylines are not handled right. everything just needs to go to Marvel
lol ain't no shared universe!! You see the look on Fiege face!? She just talking, trying to make it look like it's all good!!
The MCU is Connected! MCUUU! Somebody has to get the reference.
I think people are misconstruing this whole thing. She is talking of Tom Holland's Spider-man being part of the Sony-verse. It was mentioned a while back that his MCU contract ends at 'Spider man HC 2' but he has a third film left with Sony. They are talking about bringing him over, history and all, into the Sony-verse where Venom, Sable and Black Cat will exist.I think that's why Feige was surprised/shocked/sad; she's already setting up Holland Spider-man within Sony-verse before his MCU debut is even out.I doubt Venom, Silver Sable or Black Cat will be showing up in MCU.Also, Feige looks plain shocked/outraged as she goes on to mention how Sony's worlds will be 'Adjuncts' to his MCU...Edit: I've been reading the comments and I have to say, Pascal has done this very cleverly. They are technically 'Adjuncts' as Holland will bring that 'link' over with him yet Disney/Marvel/Feige haven't/won't approve anything. Any Sony/Marvel films will have Marvel branding (if not Marvel | Studios) and they now have the association, and Hype, of the MCU for their new Sony-verse films.How many people are going to know the difference? The people on this comment section know more than the average consumer and most here believe they heard her say 'potential cross overs into MCU'. To the average consumer, Sony-man and the associated universe will become just another MCU movie. "Very sneaky, sir."
Its the right move and I think it going to be cool how they bring the two together in a spider man 2 or 3 movies, because I think they will merge the two after both stand alone films.
My prediction is that this is the start of a big conflict between Marvel and Sony. Spider-man will be back and be doomed once again at Sony.
I will begrudgingly accept this *IF* Marvel has the same kind of say in the movies as it did in Spiderman. If not, I am afraid this is the beginning of Sony applying its reverse-Midas touch to the MCU.
This scares me Sony could give the mcu their first true flop
Kevin Feige s "SadFleck" facial expression is priceless and truly dont believe he knew she was going to share such details during the press interview
Pascal did not mention MCU tho just spiderman universe..and Kevin also didn't add up anything to Pascal comments..so I'm not convince if Venom and Black Cat has joined MCU
I can picture venom without spiderman...I just don't want it lol
This is definitely for the best, setting the Venom & Black Cat films apart from Spidey & the MCU would've been confusing & poorly received.
Personlly can't see Venom popping up in a Marvel controlled MCU movies, but I can see him in the Sony's controlled MCU movies
I'm thinking that Venom will be to the MCU as Agents of Shield or Marvel Netflix is to the MCU. It's technically the same universe, but the stories are very much separate. Just my thoughts though.
No it's not there is a spider verse and MCU which the New Spider Man might be in worlds. You didn't understand what there saying because they never said the the Sony productions are MCU. what they said was the world that marvel and Sony are making is where the Venom, Black and Silver, and Sinister Six are going to take place in different area so it would make sense if it was the MCU because the MCU was made by Marvel without Sony so there talking about a Spider Man Verse where if contract work out the New Spider Man will be in both. Another evidence supports this and that the fact that MCU is not going to reference any of the characters from the Sony productions and the Sony productions won't reference any character from the MCU. Kevin even said it himself that none of those Sony productions will be part of the MCU in a different interview.
whoa whoa whoa guys the first movie hasn't even been out in theaters yet . we cant talk so much about the next spiderman
OMFG - DO NOT believe Sony's lies. Come on guys, you are smarter than this. Sony think's we are stupid enough to fool for this BS. Note how she says its connected but doesn't say its part of the MCU, and look at how Kevin Feige reacts. This is a BS PR Stunt to attempt to cash in on the success of the MCU. These spin off films have NOTHING to do with the MCU! If u like Spiderman in the MCU boycott these spin off films otherwise Sony will be end up removing Spiderman from the MCU as well!Kevin Feige has stated multiple times neither Venom nor Silver and Black or any of these Sony spin off films are in any way connected with the MCU and who am I going to believe, the guy who is in charge of the MCU, or Amy Pascal, someone who is known to be full of sh*t!
marvel going to shit
OMG I couldnt be happier, to me this was the only way to go, have to say im really starting to respect Sony for swallowing theyre pride and making REALLY smart business decisions and for listening to the fans feedback, the ones who buy all the tickets so, yeah im stoked. B4 was excited for Venom, now I can barely contain my enthusiasm for Tom Hardys Venom cant wait
If Venom is not in the Marvel Cinematic Universe he becomes just another stand alone monster movie. He needs to be in the MCU.
I am happy about this, but everyone has to realise that this isn't going to be as connected as Homecoming. Iron Man won't be in Venom, for example. She says "adjunct" so they will be off in their own corner like the Netflix shows.
Vanom in the MCU sounds cool :) I'm in!
Go fuck yourself Campea you're a fake DC and Marvel fan.
Tom hardy vs Tom Holland...sign me up.
I think the mouse bought Sony and that's how they're "extending the deal." lol
I think this is a good move just because of the connection the characters have to Spider-Man. Also because Black Cat and Silver Sable aren't that well known.
Something tells me that the venom movie will be the start of the r rated mcu film line that kevin figi teased awhile ago could be a good test run?
im so freaking confused....one company says yes..while other say no...WHAT IS OFFICIAL ANYMORE!?
I finally watched the interview and I dont see any hint of a deal. Pascal is simply saying Venom is part of Spiderman's universe, tom Holland might appear, but nothing in regards to a new deal after "Homecoming2". You do realize that there's more of a chance that there is no renewed deal, right? It doesn't make any sense for Sony to extend the deal. If you saw peoples reaction to Spiderman in Civil War (where he practically did nothing) then you know that the fan will love Homecoming 1 & 2, Sony won't be losing the actors without marvel so they will still have the same bait as they did with marvel. Spiderman is still Sony's property.
Hey John! Yeah I think having Venom in the MCU makes the most sense. I think Infinity War will be a great opportunity for Spider-Man to be introduced to the symbiote suit, especially if he's going into space with the Avengers. Then have him as a supporting character in Venom. What do you think?
Kevin had a little bit of a Sad Affleck moment
This sounds like a publicity stunt to promote SM:HC.
Agent venom would've been badass/compelling. Doesn't need Spider-Man and it would've added something different to the comic book movie genre. Disappointing news
sony has their chance with spiderman, they didnt do too well with it, we all can see how well things worked out for marvel, and fan want to see this happen bc that how it should be, just like in the comic book world
I think Marvel think Spider-Man is pretty dam important to the MCU with most of the current Avengers possibly being phased out in the near future they need a strong and popular character to anchor the MCU while moving forward.
I think there is more to this than meets the eye, bit what about Black Cat and Silver Sable I'm still not into them getting a movie in the MCU or not
kickass hat, john!
I don't think this is official, John. Feige just said they're not connected, and he looked very confused by Pascal saying this.
It looked to me that Kevin Feige was upset that she announced it, my money is on that they where going to announce it closer to the actual movie and get a boost in news stories and the like and she jumped the gun.
I absolutely think this is the best way. I mean I'd watch a venom movie without spidey because I love the character, but it wouldn't work in a universe without spidey.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! This is just stupid!!!!
Haven't seen the video in question but as far as i understand Amy said they are in the same universe... and didn't give a direct answer to the question of spider-man in venom being an option.. Might still just be a case of yea they are in the same universe, just like the netflix heros are but that doesnt mean they'll ever show up on the mcu movies or vice versa...
Any other way it was Doomed to fail. Marvel/Spiderman fans surely would have boycotted it. And if you base of fans don't support it, average movie go-ers wouldn't support enough to make it any money. Smart move by Sony.
OK now I'm happy and Robert is right Spider Man is going to get the Venom suit in Avengers Infinity War
So the black symbiote will come to earth during infinity attach to spidey. Then we will get a venom movie that way ?
I feel more comfortable with the Black Cat, Silver Sable, and Venom being in the Marvel Cinematic Universe than some in some other world universe separate from the MCU. I agree John this is a smart move to do it this way.I also think Marvel, and Sony already have extended the deal because of maybe positive reactions of Spiderman in "Captain America Civil War", and feed back from "Spiderman Homecoming".
X-men and fantastic four are on their own. X-men sort of tried. But the timeline continuity doesn't make any sort of sense.
'Curious to see what Sony can do with a series of films not connected to a larger universe?' Seriously? Get out your Blu Ray man. You may notice that they've been doing that since 2002 with 5 Spiderman movies, most of which sucked. They had their chance, but after Spiderman 2 it's been terrible. The MCU needs to manage the IP now.
It's not difficult. Venom won't be in the MCU but Tom Hollands Spider-Man exists in the universe his movie will be set.
can Amy Pascal just go away?
I'm completely apathetic to the marvel movies now, but I speculate the same thing as you, john, I think a new deal was made after Sony hinted at leaving the MCU (which they did. Pascals comments) then stated that Venom would be separate from MCU (not spiderman, she never said separate from spiderman). If I'm right, then it doesn't make any sense to me, I think Sony could have carried the torch themselves after "homecoming 2", but maybe Feige had a great idea for the Spidey-verse moving forward, maybe Sony will be getting a sweeter deal, who knows. I liked Andrew Garfield as peter parker. ASM2 wasn't great, but it wasn't the worst, certainly was better than Spiderman 3 so Holland will have to win me over, but, man, hate to say it but I'm SO TIRED of Tony Stark... I have Stark-fatigue...
I believed this is just bullshit.
I think using Venom is stupid unless you build up the Eddie Brock character and his motives for hating Parker, it will only be successful if you throw in Mary Jane and give Spider-Man the emotional arch on why he needs to stop him. They could even use Stark instead of Richards helping him come up with the sound gun. It's gotta be done right though, don't shoe horn Venom in.
This changes EVERYTHING!
well so much for Venom being an R-rated
i think i understood what it would be like.. they will have their own movies but they will also show up in mcu movies
Tom holand confirmed homecoming 3
saw your twitter post John, Hope you're doing ok dude :)
I think an Agent Venom with Tom Hardy would've been a perfect cinematic universe. I'm just not sure how they're going to tie it all together if correct me if I'm wrong but Spider-Man had the symbiote first then it found Brock. Just my opinion.
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I don't know what to believe because Kevin Feige looked shocked himself
John, I admire you. but that title is just plain wrong.
Well, I guess we better brace ourselves for a wisecracking Venom?
I feel that all this news about whether Venom is in the MCU movies or not is a moot point - they will probably never mention Venom in the Marvel films - he'll just appear in the "sub-universe" of the Spider-Man films, that's it. In our "head-canon" however, we can of course assume that if Venom exists alongside Spider-Man himself, then by extension Venom "MUST" exist in the MCU. The connection may be only as tenuous as that.
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Batman and Bane are Spiderman Villain
I would be happy with stand alone super hero movies,but I'll take them any way they come! They can't make them fast enough for me!
It makes sense. You can't do a Venom movie without Spider-Man.
Mmm... I don't know... I was excited by the notion that whatever Sony was doing could be a parallel universe that would eventually collide with the MCU if the movies were well received. That for me was the smartest move, allowing flexibility without compromising what Marvel has built. What Amy Pascal is saying has the potential to blow up in their faces, I feel like it is an unnecessary risk from a studio-business perspective
I think it does confirm that the Marvel/Sony deal will continue. Though as for the whole smokescreen behind whether the extra stuff would be set in the mcu.. there could be a few reasons for that. 1) Sony was using them as a bargaining chip. Like "Look, if this deal doesn't continue, we do have these other properties we can move forward with." And maybe them existing in the mcu was also something they were hoping to get.2) Given that Sony's plans with Venom are R rated, maybe Marvel weren't sure if they wanted him to exist in the MCU and to go full R. But have now decided to do it. 3) They will be in the MCU, but they will also be their own thing. Like the Spiderverse films will stay in New York and not effect other MCU films outside of Spiderman. 4) Amy Pascal is just making this us, and will later retract it.
If this is true it saves this stupid idea for me. And I am now excited for this movie.
Anything is possible, like Sony making good decisions. Oh wait that's NOT possible.
They let Marvel Studios have Spider-Man, didn't they?
I hope it's true. it makes no sense to do a Venom movie without spider-man. that's like a Joker movie with no relation to Batman
I haven't seen this Feige reaction people are referring to, but I can only imagine any apprehension he may have had comes from not wanting to tell everyone so soon. I wasn't on board with Sony's Venom-verse until they announced Hardy as Brock. Now that it's MCU canon, I'm still interested but a little worried about creative freedom. Definitley not "bad" news at the very least.
What are the odds that we're going to get a Venom symbiote Easter egg in one of the Infinity War films, I wonder?
I haven't even seen Spiderman: Homecoming yet so I can't say for sure if this is something that I want or not. The quality of the films matters more to me than what universe it connects with. That being said, while I was curious to see how they'd do Venom without Spiderman I really had my doubts of that working out without drastically changing the character of Venom so from that perspective this is good news.
I think it'll be in a situation where they won't really reference the main movies, but they'll work to try and make sure they don't trample over MCU canon.
Is the Venom movie gonna be a horror movie where we see the Avengers getting killed off one by one until Black Widow is the last one left trying to kill Venom with fire?
I think we might be getting am "Amy Pascal mispoke" press release.