Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #111: Toyota C-HR and Alfa Romeo Giulia

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  • Runtime: 23:17
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Comments: 150

  • thiinkerca
    thiinkerca 11 days ago

    This show is not the same without Tom mutchler, His sense of humour and hosting skills sorely missed.

  • Ben Stern
    Ben Stern 1 month ago

    Why do you waste your time and resources on any Italian vehicle? Garbage yesterday, garbage today, garbage tomorrow...

  • GT
    GT 1 month ago

    i assume toyota did not bring the 1.8 Hybrid verson to the US cuz americans love big and powerfull engines , so they grought the 2.0 144 hp gasoline version, what would people think about an 1.8 hybrid that has only 122hp which is good enough for the city, but for overtake manuevers above 60mp is not an ideal car cuz the acceleration gets lakluster..

  • GT
    GT 1 month ago

    why people getting to the kids cant reach it phrase .. when toyota clearly market it to under 30 people...

  • Trades46
    Trades46 2 months ago

    Alfa Romeo has historically been terrible at reliability. However they are some of the cars with more personality in the sea of cars you can mistake for anything by covering its badge on the front & steering wheel.

    In short, nothing really changed; Alfa is still very much Alfa, right down to their driving experience & quirks.

  • Ric Vieira
    Ric Vieira 2 months ago

    So much whingeing for goodness sake!
    "sun visor, heated seats, knobs", license plate... what's next, cup holder?

    Seriously, not an issue (specially on a "so sporty car")!

    Yanks will never get a proper sports car,! (- it's about the handling,
    the reaction, quick shifts etc.) and should just stay at the Escalade or Suburban level (and keep your maroon pants too)!

    Also, the Australian (front) license plate is same as in US, but here there's no issues mounting it! - Why are americans so dumb?

    Far more serious flaw, is the fact american cars don't even do corners!

  • sergh8605
    sergh8605 3 months ago

    I like the C-HR, sad no moonroof, hope it come later. I wish they had done a moonroof like on the Nissan that was in the middle.

  • Beach Lovin
    Beach Lovin 3 months ago

    The GMC brand has a really simple and straight forward climate controls+cruise controls+radio controls. My previous vehicles where Ford and VW, the big buttons and big nobs are a definite plus in my current GMC Canyon.

  • T T
    T T 3 months ago

    I was thinking that these three guys are the best for talking cars. Hope they stick with this lineup.

  • Talons X
    Talons X 3 months ago

    Everyone wears blue and dark colors, he has the ballz to break out of conformity, why does ones joy depend on someone's else's lack of conformity? It's the same for cars, or anything else.

  • Jeff Engelhardt
    Jeff Engelhardt 3 months ago

    Question for your next show, since we're in the world of small SUVs: My '03 Honda Element has done me incredibly well over the years. It's time for it to retire to that great used car lot in the sky, though, and I'm struggling with its replacement.

    My must-haves are AWD (or 4WD), decent ground clearance, above average reliability, a decent amount of cargo space, decent fuel economy, a more powerful engine, and something that doesn't remotely resemble the average small to mid-size SUV (e.g. CR-V, Rav-4, etc.), which I hate.

    Accepting that the only thing these days resembling the Element's monstrous, bulletproof interior is a truck bed I'm leaning wagon -- maybe a Volvo XC70, V60 XC, or an Audi Allroad. Thoughts?

  • monzx3
    monzx3 4 months ago

    In many ways I think all these technological advances in today's cars are bad for people. People get spoiled and lazy.  For instance,  with GPS folks just don't wanna bother to learn their way around even in their own home town! Parallel parking? A lost art I say. I'm not anti-technology but there should be a limit to everything.

  • monzx3
    monzx3 4 months ago

    Dude, what's up with that outfit!

  • Robert Montgomery
    Robert Montgomery 4 months ago

    You use side mirrors to merge. Learn how to set your mirrors

  • Richard DuBois
    Richard DuBois 4 months ago

    Toyota C-HR. Fantastic look ! (and I'm a 70 yo) Poor visibility out the back. No manual transmission available in the USA. And they want us to pay extra for many safety features I just don't want. Not priced comparably with it's competitors.
    Alfa. It's gonna be like a Vette. Owners will rave about it, despite it's being in the shop often. It's for those who love a real driving experience. It's not an appliance. The majority of Consumer Reports readers just don't get that and never will.

  • Joe Hammond
    Joe Hammond 4 months ago

    Toyota needed a seriously ugly car to compete with the Juke. Aztek?

  • Eugenio A.
    Eugenio A. 4 months ago

    carry proves of what you find wrong in cars, otherwise people could think you are PAID to discredit competitors' products.

  • Cruz er
    Cruz er 4 months ago

    Mike makes a lot of sense with regards to car design. Gabe is arguing nonsense. It's a self-fulfilling, self-perpetuating escalation. The car makers create the problems and distractions so they can "solve" them with more "features". Feeding into the consumer mentality is not advocating in the best interest of the buyers. One the one hand you can say "this is reality." but then CR constantly advocates against things automakers do in the buyers' best interest. So, you can't argue out of both sides and sound credible. Car makers are pushing gadgets and software. What happens when that stuff breaks and fails? You have a lot of disposable vehicles floating around. The mentality just feeds into the disposable culture and teaches the auto buying public to do the same.

  • cadsux
    cadsux 4 months ago

    Of course Toyota was late to the game. Just look at the Lexus NX. Everyone else had a turbo 4 cylinder crossover years before.

  • Kris Mier
    Kris Mier 4 months ago

    minivans? what about KIA Sedona?

  • Evan K
    Evan K 4 months ago

    You forgot to mention/bash the Nissan Quest in the minivan topic! :-)

  • Keye T
    Keye T 4 months ago

    Check Engine Light on a NEW CAR? TRASHH... that was a car that they gave you instead of your normal secret shop yall do and y'all don't want to mark that on the reliability?? just due to the fact that it should've been perfect since they were expecting you this time... and the powertrain on that CHR is nowhere near exciting they could've offered a the turbo motor from the IS

  • Blake Swan
    Blake Swan 4 months ago

    wow is that Ellington about the Alfa

  • Blake Swan
    Blake Swan 4 months ago

    sorry the CHR is awful especially for a new entry. Fail

  • Inverter222
    Inverter222 4 months ago

    Radio? Who listens to the radio and manually tunes stations? I can't even remember the last car I was in that I tuned a station.

    It's bizarre for CR to keep demanding a tuning knob. It's unsafe compared to the wheel controls and voice activation system.

    But Tom's I bet THAT has a tuning knob.,

    • snakerb
      snakerb 4 months ago

      Inverter222 I kinda agree with CR. I drive many different types of vehicles for work and having a tuning knob vs tapping on the screen is annoying and unsafe, but then that's what presets are for. If I could only have one I'd take a volume knob over a tuning knob.

    • Inverter222
      Inverter222 4 months ago

      fatboy19831 English not your first language?

  • Robert Montgomery
    Robert Montgomery 4 months ago


    • Right Lane Hog
      Right Lane Hog 4 months ago

      Funny you should mention that. Today at the car show the C-HR was parked about 50 feet from a Veloster and the similarities were uncanny . The both have utterly USELESS second row windows .

  • Robert Montgomery
    Robert Montgomery 4 months ago

    Velodter ?

  • Dave Travels
    Dave Travels 4 months ago

    I don't buy the Scion excuse. The C-HR was designed for Europe, where Scion never existed. The C-HR offers a wide variety of options, including nicer interior color combinations in Europe. Perhaps the argument relates to pricing structure, still the price difference is negligible, you have to remember that prices in Europe include VAT. A fully loaded Hybrid C-HR stickers for 28k Euro w/o VAT but dealers are currently offering a 17% discount, so it can actually be had for ~24k Euro w/o VAT or ~26k USD, slightly more expensive, but not that much of difference especially considering that it has a hybrid powertrain. A turbo-AWD model is $500 less.

  • Inverter222
    Inverter222 4 months ago

    Gabe, uhhh really needs, to uhhhh, try to, uhhhh, speak without, uhhh, uhhhh.

  • Paul Connolly
    Paul Connolly 4 months ago

    Gabe @ 21:00...well said!

  • 10tenman10
    10tenman10 4 months ago

    Wish they would talk SUV SUV SUV. I almost don't care about anything else these days.

  • Matt P
    Matt P 4 months ago

    Where's Tom???

  • Joe Wilder
    Joe Wilder 4 months ago

    Do you know of any statistics that show where collision avoidance systems are preventing accidents?

    • Richard DuBois
      Richard DuBois 4 months ago

      I"m quite sure they're gonna cause more rear end collisions. The idiots just have not figured that into the equation so far.

  • elton john
    elton john 4 months ago

    Another reason to favour the Ford Flex is that in two years, they're down to half of their original price. If this person wants to keep costs down, an EcoBoost Flex may be a good option.

    • elton john
      elton john 4 months ago

      I agree with you, but the savings in purchase price may make up for it. The Odyssey is not an entirely reliable machine either.

    • fatboy19831
      fatboy19831 4 months ago

      Not for long term reliability.

  • elton john
    elton john 4 months ago

    I'm not sure about Jon's disco pants.

  • toyotaprius79
    toyotaprius79 4 months ago

    Do you guys know why Toyota hasn't offered a hybrid version (basically from the Prius) of the C-HR? Seems like a goof.

    In the EU, or Ireland at least, the clear majority of new C-HRs have the little HSD badge on them. I rarely see the 1.2l or anything 'non-HSD' that are optioned for it. That's odd given how the US is much warmer to hybrids.

    • Right Lane Hog
      Right Lane Hog 4 months ago

      Happy St. Patrick's Day. Get your hands on a manual with the surprisingly dynamic 1.2 liter engine to experience the ultimate level of C-HR performance. At least that's what I read in all the European reviews.

  • James Wheaton
    James Wheaton 4 months ago

    Not missing Tom, you three are doing a good job!

  • Lukas Trapp
    Lukas Trapp 4 months ago

    bring back tom !

  • headcas620
    headcas620 4 months ago

    The CHR is shit. It's not an suv. It's not even a crossover. It's a hatchback with a higher seating position.

  • dwilsonjr78
    dwilsonjr78 4 months ago

    If you need the room, the Honda Odyssey is a great choice. I've driven the Odyssey a few time and just like the guys at CR said, it's actually engaging to drive for a minivan. But in Ford's defense, the Flex does have available AWD if you need it and does stand out more when it comes to looks, but just like the CR guys said, the Odyssey is still a better choice overall when it comes to room and practicality.

  • Karl P
    Karl P 4 months ago

    Fiat/Alfa are physically incapable of producing a reliable car. It's been the same for the last 40 years. That's why they did the walk of shame out of America 20 years ago - no one was buying them. Nothing ever changes at Fiat group. And they've transferred their poor quality to Chrysler as well. FCA is worst for customer satisfaction and reliability according to all surveys.

    • Albert S.
      Albert S. 2 days ago

      Marcello Guarro those european cars that are built in europe are a heck or a reliable car compared to the european cars that are being sent to the U.S. the ones sent to the U.S. aren't built in like germany or italy they are built in like mexico or canada to reduce costs but it also reduces reliability and build quality. I see all these europeans saying that their cars are very solid. Sadly they don't sent the ones built in their home to the U.S.

    • guy proulx
      guy proulx 3 months ago

      Marcello Guarro The best strategy for "fixing the issues" is not fixed "from bottom up", the only way to fix it is to start were the problem starts and that is usually at the top

    • 67claudius
      67claudius 3 months ago

      fatboy19831 However, even in Europe is different reliability among Japanese manufacturers, Toyota and Honda are at the top, while Nissan and Mazda are well below. The Japanese are still a point of reference for all car manufacturers, my Toyota corolla verso, 185,000 miles and no mechanical problem.

    • Marcello Guarro
      Marcello Guarro 3 months ago

      That I agree with. I think FCA could make great strides by fixing the issues that persist through their dealer network from bottom up. There are still too many bad dealers and tactics left over from the Daimler-era.

    • fatboy19831
      fatboy19831 3 months ago

      Kelvin, Europe has a completely different dealer network. Something happens when European designs cross the Atlantic. Peugeot is the perfect example. Known to be excellent cars in Africa , Not so much so in Europe but complete garbage in the states. People have been living with Fiats in Europe for over 100 years. What is a big problem for the average American Fiat customer is just a slight inconvenience for the European driver. Having said all that Fiat reliability as a whole is no were close to the Average Japanese car.

  • Chris Smith
    Chris Smith 4 months ago

    Toyota needs to step up their game for the interior. The exterior is just plan ugly.

    • GT
      GT 1 month ago

      i finde the exterrior awesome.. something wild anf progressive.. not the usuall modest fine elegant lines... so taste is subjective....

  • Kyle houlihan
    Kyle houlihan 4 months ago

    All I want is a small box like my 1996 Rav4 with true 4wd and again SMALL!!! I hate these "small suvs" now a days these things are freaking huge and not easy to park at all. Closest thing I could find to my rav4 now is the first gen Volkswagen Tiguan S 4motion and it's not true 4wd from what I understand. Plus i dont know how reliable that's going to be but small is what I need.

    • fatboy19831
      fatboy19831 4 months ago

      Matthew B forester is an excellent 230,000 mile car vs Rav 4 300,000 mile. Tugan. 140,000 mile.

    • Matthew B
      Matthew B 4 months ago

      Kyle houlihan well, there your solution. Buy this Toyota. You'll be happy. Much more reliable than a Tiguan or forester

    • fatboy19831
      fatboy19831 4 months ago

      Forester.....Cheap, fuel efficient, reliable, excellent AWD and visibility.

    • Samuel Josiah
      Samuel Josiah 4 months ago

      Kyle houlihan try they Mazda cx-3

    • Jojo Kim
      Jojo Kim 4 months ago

      plus that 1st gen rav had a 2-door and open top option. Toyota got it right and then went bigger and bulkier and more complicated. I'd also say they peaked on styling (before everything started looking alike).

  • john ennis
    john ennis 4 months ago

    Which company makes the best safety system in the under $30,000 car.

  • Boris Terekidi
    Boris Terekidi 4 months ago

    Completely pointless car. Costs almost as much as a RAV4, but has a look even mother wont love. Ugly, cramped. I'd be shocked if this thing sells very well.

    • GT
      GT 1 month ago

      "but has a look even mother doesn't love" how the f... buys a car for the mother's approval? its marketed to under 30 aged persons.. to whom want a more aggressive progressive look but don't want a 6 cylinder powerhouse...

    • Right Lane Hog
      Right Lane Hog 4 months ago

      Be prepared to be shocked .

  • G S
    G S 4 months ago

    Tom Mutchler is no longer with Consumer Reports.

    • f181234
      f181234 4 months ago

      G S why what happened?

  • HKM _
    HKM _ 4 months ago

    What happened to the two original guys? They were great! :(

  • GBraidi78
    GBraidi78 4 months ago

    I think Honda should have a type pad for the stations like Hyundai. I had a 2015 Sonata and it had it but my 2016 Accord doesn't! I hope the 2018 Accord will have it! We will see!

  • Norm T
    Norm T 4 months ago

    Fix It Again Tony?

  • Jake from State Farm
    Jake from State Farm 4 months ago

    "Toyota... invents segments and sub-segments"???

    What?? Like when? Other than the RAV4 -- which was really the first vehicle to be considered a "compact SUV" by today's standards -- what has Toyota done to merit such praise? They didn't even create the hybrid segment. Honda did.

    • Sam S
      Sam S 1 month ago

      Yes, and those early specifications all used Subaru technology. It is why Subaru withheld it from them because Toyota wanted to do everything. In the end Subaru forced Toyota to do it their way because Toyota did not have the engineering to do it without doing it all from scratch (the boxer engine was key for them).

    • Ron Shaw
      Ron Shaw 1 month ago

      Well, although the building is done by Subaru, Toyota penned the design for the car before handing it off to Subaru. Toyota had more to do with it than just the DI and transmissions. Most of the early specifications were done by Toyota.

    • Sam S
      Sam S 1 month ago

      Ron - that is the claim. However, the facts indicate that Subaru is the key driver behind the car. (1) It is made in a Subaru plant only, in Ōta, Gunma, Japan. (2) It has a boxer engine, a Subaru design but the fuel injection system is Toyota's contribution. In fact, development halted for 6 months because Toyota tried to take control of development from Subaru, which owned the engine design. Once Subaru was given adequate control, development resumed with Subaru running engine development. It does have a Toyota automatic transmission, a Subaru manual transmission. So yes, technically Toyota did contribute to the development - but most of the core of the car came from Subaru technology. That is why there are websites on the internet that describe the situation in how Toyota asked/begged Subaru to leverage their technology to make a better sports car than Toyota could. After a lot of convincing, they agreed. The car does not sell particularly well, with sales peaking the first year at 11,000 vehicles for both the BRZ and Toyota version and recently selling 7000 annually.

    • Ron Shaw
      Ron Shaw 1 month ago

      Actually, the 86 is not a rebadged Subaru. Both Toyota and Subaru worked jointly on its development. Toyota owns 17% of Subaru, by the way.

    • George #GeorgeCaragea
      George #GeorgeCaragea 3 months ago

      these guys are again on the Toyota paycheck just like the last time when the lady said that Toyota basically invented ASR..which was only 10 years later after BMW, Mercedes and Volvo all in 1994...

  • jimmelay71
    jimmelay71 4 months ago

    I am loading up on Prozac and Seroquel amidst coming to the realization that Tom may no longer be with CR. I will miss your forced nervous laughter and your tales of your Dodge Durango.

  • pedro fernandez
    pedro fernandez 4 months ago

    That front tag on the Alfa really kills the look.

  • pedro fernandez
    pedro fernandez 4 months ago

    Seniors will avoid this thing like Alzheimer's. The xB had great room and visibility, this monster doesn't.

  • john ennis
    john ennis 4 months ago

    where is tom ?

  • 2012bigPerm
    2012bigPerm 4 months ago

    Subaru seems to be able to make safe cars that you can see out it can be done. I think the trends dictate the poor visibility at this point. It may have started as a result of safety with rising belt lines but I don't think it's that way anymore...

  • DevPack
    DevPack 4 months ago

    where is Tom

  • catsspat
    catsspat 4 months ago

    I've nothing against advanced safety systems. In fact, I love adaptive cruise control. However, they should be in addition to, not in replacement of, good visibility. I think Subaru does a pretty good job with good outward visibility.

  • james t Smith
    james t Smith 4 months ago

    so where is Tom M? you're not ashamed to admit this is a press car, why cant you say where he is? Did he leave to work for a car company?

  • TheAirplaneMaster
    TheAirplaneMaster 4 months ago

    Jon: So, ____, can you tell us something about the _____?
    Other person: Well, it's a nice car and-
    Jon: Yeah, I think that....

    Jon needs to let people answer his question. XD

    • trumpsixteen
      trumpsixteen 3 months ago

      Yes I would agree - I think Tom did a great job.

    • Kevin Bisch
      Kevin Bisch 3 months ago

      Tom was much better..wonder where he is

    • Henry Stone
      Henry Stone 4 months ago

      Yeah, Jon needs to stop cutting people off when they're in mid-sentence, it's really annoying. You could tell that he annoyed Gabe at 9:00 when Gabe was talking about the Alfa and Jon cut him off to say some irrelevant thing and Gabe basically told him to be quiet.

    • MWJ '90
      MWJ '90 4 months ago

      TheAirplaneMaster agreed.

  • Billz Billz
    Billz Billz 4 months ago

    Toyota RAV2👍

  • J Segal
    J Segal 4 months ago

    If you go all the way back to the Toyota/GM joint venture, GEO showed a coupe version concept of this car. Long time coming.

  • Linda Jamme
    Linda Jamme 4 months ago

    I love cars and love listening to you talk about many aspects of cars I would never be able to afford to buy. I wished I worked for Consumer Reports and could take some of these babies for a spin! I own a 2012 Chevrolet Equinox FWD 2LT. I love this car and many of it's features. Most of the problems I've had with the car are electrical. My CD is stuck in the player and Chevrolet said they would have to send the whole radio part to CA to get it out. That's crazy. When I get my next SUV I was thinking between the Equinox, Ford Edge, Toyota RAV4 and Nissan Murano. Any suggestions?

    • Linda Jamme
      Linda Jamme 4 months ago

      White03T4RV82WD Thanks for the information. I had the Toyota Camry for over a decade buying several and don't remember having a problem with them. I need reliable since I am caregiver to my husband. I appreciate your help.

    • White03T4RV82WD
      White03T4RV82WD 4 months ago

      Linda Jamme RAV4. The edge was just redesigned so it isn't going to be that reliable; plus ford has has reliability issues recently anyways. Nissan has had lots of problems with their transmissions, well you see how chevy is doing with the equinox. The RAV4 will always be the smart and safe choice.

    • Right Lane Hog
      Right Lane Hog 4 months ago


  • Michael Atchison
    Michael Atchison 4 months ago

    Why do automakers keep call these vehicles SUVs? They are hatchbacks by any other name.

    • nlpnt
      nlpnt 15 days ago

      If I needed a new Toyota hatchback I'd go for a Corolla iM over the C-HR. Probably a bit better handling, way less overstyled/claustrophobic, you can get a manual. I'd prefer an update of the original Scion xB.

    • Didi Mulyadi
      Didi Mulyadi 4 months ago

      Michael Atchison SUV sound more macho. American don't like it if it not macho. lol most ppl who bought and drive SUV have some sort of insecurities problems.

    • Jojo Kim
      Jojo Kim 4 months ago

      The roads are full of hatchbacks, station wagons, and minivans.

  • Kiss Kiss
    Kiss Kiss 4 months ago

    Was Toyota trying to reinvent the Crosstour?

    • Kiss Kiss
      Kiss Kiss 4 months ago

      manthony225 oh I know, and understand. The point I was trying to make is that, they are similar in the looks and awkwardness of it. Especially when they bring the awd variant on this Toyota.

    • manthony225
      manthony225 4 months ago

      Kiss Kiss The Crosstour was in the same class as the Outback and Toyota Venza. This is in the small crossover segment like the HRV and Mazda CX3

    • Kiss Kiss
      Kiss Kiss 4 months ago

      LifeHacks4All lol Neither on mine but to me, it may bring the same type of buyer. Of course, once they bring the awd variant.

    • LifeHacks4All
      LifeHacks4All 4 months ago

      Kiss Kiss i love hondas. but the crosstour was NOT on my

  • conceptcs
    conceptcs 4 months ago

    Why didn't they just include the back up camera in the main screen?

    • Noah E
      Noah E 4 months ago

      It's nice to have two separate screens. We have a Subaru Outback and Jeep Grand Cherokee that use the main screen for the back up camera and a Forester that has a separate screen for the back up camera. You can adjust other system while backing up in the Forester which is nice. The Jeep system is super laggy sometimes and takes a while for the view to appear and then disappear. Toyota putting it on the rearview mirror makes sense because they don't have to design the dash around it and it's intuitive to look at a mirror to see what's behind you.

  • Luke Hoisington
    Luke Hoisington 4 months ago

    anything on a redesigned Nissan frontier?

    • MWJ '90
      MWJ '90 4 months ago

      Luke Hoisington that would be nice to know but I don't think Nissan is going to release anything until they're finished rolling out their Titan update for the Frontier is LONG overdue. It's good you can get one at a great price now though.

  • Dee T
    Dee T 4 months ago

    This Car was a Toyota from the get go, it's just that Toyota North-America intended to re-badge it and sell it has a Scion in North-America.

  • trumpsixteen
    trumpsixteen 4 months ago

    What happened to Tom M. ? He was my favorite

    • mountainhobo
      mountainhobo 4 months ago

      I think he was at the Geneva Auto Show. Probably taking a few days vacation while there.

    • shumpie41
      shumpie41 4 months ago

      yea, time to do a google on him'

    • MWJ '90
      MWJ '90 4 months ago

      trumpsixteen I don't think they're going to answer that question. However it would be nice to know. I hope he is ok.

    • Luke Hoisington
      Luke Hoisington 4 months ago

      trumpsixteen right? like wtf

  • billiam S
    billiam S 4 months ago


    • MrSmapdi
      MrSmapdi 4 months ago

      nobody cares, these videos only get tens of thousands of views.

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