How Star Wars and World War 2 Fighters Use Similar Tactics!

Comments: 66

  • Lowell Dever
    Lowell Dever 15 days ago

    The whole empire seems to be based on nazi Germany. The uniforms, mannerisms, and even the Wagnerian sounding music all scream nazi Germany.

  • Buford T. Justice
    Buford T. Justice 18 days ago

    Well done!

  • adrian arana
    adrian arana 21 day ago

    New to the channel but it is great, like all these videos and the accuracy you have to the fighters and combat and the animations rather then just stock photos keep up the awesome work new subscriber and a patreon

  • James Dunn
    James Dunn 25 days ago

    Zeros were actually very good planes

  • TheFlyingSquirrel
    TheFlyingSquirrel 25 days ago

    I'd personally opine that the X wig was more like the Corsair or the F6F hellcat, while their fleet of venerable Z-95a would be like the F4.

  • Eric Just A Sinner
    Eric Just A Sinner Month ago

    this was very well done. Please please please do this with Wing Commander 1 :)

  • jaxman7
    jaxman7 Month ago

    Have always linked the Empire with the Third Reich until now. Associating them now with Imperial Japan along with Nazi Germany is even cooler. Nice man. Well done!

  • Darth Boomer
    Darth Boomer Month ago

    George Lucas LITERALLY used real WW2 footage of dogfights to choreograph his space fighter battles. I swallow up a lot of Star Wars info so can't give you a source, but i believe it was on a "making of" show of some type.

  • Alex K
    Alex K Month ago

    At the beginning of the war, the Japanese Zero pilots maintained a 12-to-1 kill to loss ratio against the American rugged, slow, heavily-armed fighters. Tactics later brought to use by the Americans (once they had planes faster and more powerful than their agile Japanese counterparts) involved vertical maneuvering that used gravity to the advantage of the heavier, faster, and more powerful-engined American fighters.

    In space the advantage of a dive or climb is completely gone, since there's no up-down direction to utilize gravity in. In this kind of fight speed and maneuverability is the end-all advantage. TIEs, being faster and more maneuverable than X-Wings and Y-Wings, would have every advantage given equal numbers and pilot skill. Hyperdrives aren't needed when a carrier (like a star destroyer) is just as fast at travelling (hyperspace) as enemy fighters, and shields don't matter when your enemy can't even get a single shot on you. This assumes equal numbers, and we know the Empire's TIEs vastly outnumbered the rebel fighters.

    TIE fighters and TIE interceptors have every advantage as fighters against the rebel fighters. The WW2 example shows a 12-to-1 kill-death ratio in favor of the TIE fighter's Japanese analogue, and that's with the existence of a down-direction for the X-Wing's American analogue to have an advantage in (dive). The only possible scenario in which the rebels could have been winning against Imperial pilots is if they were just vastly more skilled - implausible given that rebel pilots were the untrained ones, and Imperial pilots were all trained at the Imperial academies. Plot armor is the only advantage X-Wings have.

  • Ken Boddiley
    Ken Boddiley Month ago

    "The pacific war where the us fought the Japanese empire" what about Australia

    • General Jimmies
      General Jimmies 24 days ago

      A lot of countries participated in the war but make no mistake the US was doing the heavy lifting throughout most of the Pacific campaign.

  • 9sky man9
    9sky man9 Month ago

    I heard that the X-Wing flying style was taken from WWII Lightnings

  • Evan Crum
    Evan Crum Month ago

    Lets also not forget about the TIE Fighter series. I don't think that the A-Wing is like the P-51....but thats just me.

    • Jan Gustl_WT
      Jan Gustl_WT 18 days ago

      A-wing is more a Spitfire. Manouverable as hell and a little bit long range cabable.

  • ren butt
    ren butt Month ago

    poe and Finn must have held their breath in that tie fighter

    • Jerguš Mačaj
      Jerguš Mačaj Month ago

      ren butt Tfo ties had life support and shields

    • chris pearson
      chris pearson Month ago

      Probably updated life-support, for 2-seaters.

  • Wookie120
    Wookie120 Month ago

    Not sure the Zero or Oscar were made with wood. Think they were all aluminum my friend.

  • Wookie120
    Wookie120 Month ago

    I'd say the A Wing would be closer to a Spitfire because of its speed and maneuverability. Just my humble opinion, but can see the comparison to the Mustang.

  • Wo 9
    Wo 9 Month ago

    IMO USA fits the Galactic Empire more, because of vast manpower and production capability. The rebels had neither of those.

  • David Pemberton
    David Pemberton Month ago +4

    I'm enjoying your series of videos, keep it up!

    Just a point to note, Star Wars space, doesn't seem to act as space as we know it, fighters are able to bank and air-break similar to our fighters can in the air. I know this was originally because George Lucas liked it and wanted it this way, but now we as fans must explain it, The Vacuum of space is either different in the Star Wars Universe or Star Wars Spacecraft can utilise maybe Dark matter? to perform these manoeuvres in/on?

    • Gowan James Ditchburn
      Gowan James Ditchburn Month ago

      Well I think it would have to do with the inertial dampener technology used in star wars, possibly also the artificial gravity generators. This would create a pull that would create resistance comparable to air resistance. It would also explain why star wars ships only have engines in one direction and why they must be constantly active due to the fact that to move they must constantly accelerate against this force.

      That is a theory however, but I think it explains the characteristics best.

  • Obsydian Shade
    Obsydian Shade Month ago +1

    I would argue that in terms of firepower, performance, and relative advancement, the X-Wing is probably more analogous to the P-38 than the Wildcat or P-40, which were relatively inferior to the Zero, but with the right tactics, could prevail. The P-38, however, was, like the X-wing, superior in most categories, except for sheer range, and turning circle.

  • Wehraboo_Of _El_Alamein

    What gave u the idea that the empire are japs? Wtf

  • dagon valdez
    dagon valdez Month ago

    what am i missing? lucas said he modeled fighter battles after wwII fighter battles...???

    • dagon valdez
      dagon valdez Month ago

      youre preaching to the choir, brother.

    • Bill Mullins
      Bill Mullins Month ago

      But the current generation is utterly unaccustomed to doing such research. They never had to do it so they never learned how. You and I know that Lucas based much of the action in the destruction on films of actual air combat from WWII. Today's young people cannot understand such a concept. If my arithmetic is still good, the distance in time between New Hope (Wasn't it at one time titled New Dawn? Lucas just keeps changing things) and WWII is approx. a decade less than between "New Hope" and today. For today's fans WWII is ancient history. It ended 70 years ago. When you add in that today's young people have not been taught much history it is no wonder that they take things backwards. Add in that the education establishment has deliberately failed to teach recent generations anything related to critical thought, it makes perfect sense. The very last thing demagogues desire is an informed electorate, capable of independent, critical thinking. Such people are seldom easily fooled or led around by the nose.

      Remember, you NEVER have to fool ALL the people ANY of the time. You only have to fool ENOUGH of the people ENOUGH of the time. The less (culturally) literate and capable of critical thought the electorate is, the better things are for the career politicians.

    • dagon valdez
      dagon valdez Month ago

      my point is age shouldnt matter but since reading and research are literally at peoples fingertips....well maybe the old agage applies.....shut your mouth, open your eyes and ears (not you, Bill). cool story though and i made the same point about the goldsmith theme more than once. thanks.

    • Bill Mullins
      Bill Mullins Month ago

      You have to remember that the majority of people making these videos and commenting were not around when "New Dawn" came out. I doubt many (any?) of them have read anything about the making of the original Star Wars and are reasoning ass backwards. I had a similar experience on the Trek side. This was some years after STTNG had wrapped and while DS9 was on. I overheard a couple of worthies opining about how STMP used the same main theme as NG. I patiently explained to them that STMP came out several years before ST:TNG and that Paramount was hedging their bets by reusing Gerry Goldsmith's theme rather than paying for a new theme. I don't think they believed me. It didn't matter, though, because I spent the day with Majel Barrett, providing physical security. She was lovely a person as you could ever want to spend time with. And she was still a damned fine looking woman.

  • AlexSDU
    AlexSDU Month ago +2

    So, I'm guessing B-Wing is P-38, heavy yet deadly.

    • AlexSDU
      AlexSDU 21 day ago

      Well, I don't know/care much about their speed, but more of their role and capability.
      As for Y-Wing, I see it something like a combination of SBD Dauntless and TDB Devastator.

    • Markhas
      Markhas 22 days ago

      AlexSDU B wings are slower than Y wings.

  • ironwarmonger
    ironwarmonger Month ago +8

    There is a UK make WWII movie called "the Dam Busters", Lucas lifted early the entire battle sequence from that movie for the attack on the first Death Star. In fact many of the lies are same between the two movies.

    Also reflected was part of the U.S. military standard aircraft rules. The single most important part of any fighter or really any aircraft is it pilot or crew. The Japanese did not see it this way. The gave the Americans a massive advantage, they could make a mistake, survive and learn from it! The Japanese pilot was just dead.

  • John the gamer
    John the gamer Month ago

    You forgot the tactics of the japanese zeros when they were fighting wildcats
    Since they knew the americans had a better plane
    But zeros can reach a higher height so they get to a chase against the wild cat the zero goes for a steep climb and then the wild cat engine smokes and the zero goes for a dive and shoots it down

  • Fritz Vongerbel
    Fritz Vongerbel 2 months ago +2

    sounds like the rebels are useing germanys point of view of quality is best

  • Joe Perry
    Joe Perry 2 months ago

    Rebel Alliance = United States confirmed

  • OriginalTharios
    OriginalTharios 2 months ago

    Yeah...this is not exactly something people didn't already know. Honestly, it's a flaw, more than anything.

    Suspension of disbelief is all well and good, but it's not meant to be stretched that far. If you want to include something fantastic, then it still has to make sense in the universe you've built. Star Wars doesn't do that. With their technology, fighters are nothing but fodder death traps. Or rather, they would be, if any of their technology were applied in any practical way.

  • Chris Douglas
    Chris Douglas 2 months ago

    I think the X-wing would be better compared to the Hellcat than a Wildcat or a Warhawk, both the Wildcat and Hellcat were vastly outclassed by the Zero. While a Hellcat could hold its own against a Zero, much like an X-Wing could against a TIE Interceptor. The A-Wing and the P-51, completely agree, fast, agile but pretty frail. Sweet Video though :-)

  • Mike Mac
    Mike Mac 2 months ago

    Is that Tie/INT the Lego version?

    • AlexSDU
      AlexSDU Month ago

      I think it's the scale resolution effect, which make the pixel look like lego.

  • ringleader61
    ringleader61 2 months ago +6

    i like your comparisons. One major fact you may want to add is: the japanese had a very small core of elite pilots and a huge core of mediocre pilots at the start of the war.Most were killed from the battles of Midways and Guadalcanal. were as the U.S. did start in a similar way, they soon developed a system that gave them a massive core of very good pilots that were able to out match the japanese by 1943-44.

  • Joe Soap
    Joe Soap 2 months ago

    I think you'll find the reason they are so similar is because WW2 dog fighting was all the writers had for reference since there has never been any real ship to ship dog fighting in space.
    Consider that in space there is no gravity. Therefore there is no up or down. You're in a vacuum so there is no wind resistance. Unless you are near to a star there is no light so you are in the pitch dark. It's hard to see and chase your foe in the pitch dark.
    In reality such things would never really take place. Little fighters battling it out while zooming between giant spaceships is strictly in the realms of science fiction. It looks good on the screen but is really just nonsense.

    • Resurrected Starships
      Resurrected Starships  2 months ago

      Indeed! I was thinking about mentioning the Dam Busters! LOL I've seen documentaries but need to watch the actual movie. I don't know if I love Lucas for pulling good inspirational sources or dislike him for being unoriginal. Oh well :)

  • Jedi JC
    Jedi JC 2 months ago

    Still Not Bad on George Lucas' part. The Military History he knew before making the First Three Star Wars Films was the War Movies he saw as a Child / Teenager.

  • MisterBassBoost
    MisterBassBoost 2 months ago

    Great! Keep it up!

  • Sameson223VIDS
    Sameson223VIDS 2 months ago

    There's a whole lot of issues. I study WW2 as a history major in college and I can't help but put this out there. The Comparison first should be the zero and the Hellcat/corsair. The Japanese fighters were weak since they had thin aluminum armor and no self sealing fuel tanks. The japanese lost their good pilots after Midway and the American doctrine was bring to bring a huge amount of overwhelming firepower of good trained pilots to wipe out the japanese carriers and surface fleet. Please do better research. You can't make a video based only on what you hear on the history channel. That's just a few issues I have.

  • Hylian Air Force
    Hylian Air Force 2 months ago +19

    The main difference between the Empire and WWII Japan is that zeros often outranged American fighters compared to X-Wings outranging TIEs. The only aircraft that could match the range of an A6M was the P-51 late in the war. As for the comparisons, I have a better one, this time with the better analogue of America and Nazi Germany. The Bf-109 is the most mass produced fighter of all time, had a standard armament of 2 cannons and 2 machine guns, making it like a TIE fighter. The TIE Interceptor is fast with a very powerful armament, like the latewar Me 262 jet interceptor. As for what I think are good analogues for the Rebels, the P-47 is a great analogue to the X-Wing, as both have weaponry that is effective against damn near everything. The A-Wing equivalent is actually closer to latewar Soviet Interceptors, rather light and lightly armed, but also very effective with what little armament it has. Because you didn't want to be superfluous, I can make comparisons between the heavier types on either side. The TIE Bomber is in line the Fw-190, as it has devastating cannons and could carry a heavy load of bombs, like the P-47. For the Rebels, I see the Il-2 taking the place of the B-Wing, as it was rather slow and destroyed a lot of the tanks it went against with its wing cannons, and the Y-Wing would be like British Fighter Bombers, which were heavily armed and armored, but were only really effective against other fighter-bombers, like the Fw-190.

    • Jordan Blitz
      Jordan Blitz 3 days ago

      You are partly correct. F4F was better at combating the zero than is commonly thought, but it still had many glaring issues. Such as it's almost pittifull power to weight ratio. Overall the zero was a Superior aircraft. However the hellcat or f6f was a massive improvement over the wildcat and is typically hailed as a better plane than the zero. It was much tougher than zero,had better armerment, higher top speed, and faster dive manuveirability and speed. For these reasons I think the rebel x wing should be compared to the hellcat and not wildcat.

    • strategicperson95
      strategicperson95 16 days ago

      John the gamer the f4f wildcat wasn't as helpless against the zero as many would have you believe. Most of the zero's victims were old outdated planes that had their own issues like the f2 Brewster buffalo, (poor engine, too heavy, inadequate firepower, and had a nasty tendency to breakdown in the pacific environment. How the Finns were able to whip the soviet air force with it in the winter war is a rabbit hole in itself). In fact, the f4 was still in service even when the hellcats, coursairs and mustangs came to the front, their tactics were just different from the aggressive Japanese doctrine with more emphasis on boom and zoom and less maneuver dogfighting.

    • John the gamer
      John the gamer Month ago

      Didnt the wild cat i think its hellcat that beat it in 1943

    • Hylian Air Force
      Hylian Air Force 2 months ago

      Add to the fact that not a one of them had access to aircraft or heavy vehicles like the rebels did.

  • Zero Human
    Zero Human 2 months ago +1

    After watching the video I was entertain and found this video to be smart and well done.

  • bryan schultz
    bryan schultz 2 months ago +18

    This is a well thought out comparison. Just so you know, the Ki-43 or A6M were NOT made out of wood. Their structures were made from duralumin, a light metal alloy. There were wooden pieces in the ailerons, elevators and rudders, but the wings and fuselage was metal. The other thing is the US aircraft carried 4 to 8 12.7mm machine guns (.50 cal), most versions of the Japanese fighters carried fewer weapons, often of 7.7mm. That is why the firepower comparison favored the F4F / P-40.

    Good job man.

  • Captain Stoffel
    Captain Stoffel 2 months ago +1

    I discovered this channel when you did the star wars vs star trek video. I really enjoyed it. My inner star wars fanboy wanted the empire to win, but due to star trek just being what it is, with much more advanced technology I always knew it woyld win. Keep up the good work:-D

  • Zero Human
    Zero Human 2 months ago

    You should compare the X-wing to the Hell Cat. Not the Wild Cat since they weren't very good and phased out during the war. Hellcats was the best during that time. As for the X-wing was superior to the tie fighter just like the hellcat was superior to the Zeros.

    • Rafael Nishizumi
      Rafael Nishizumi Month ago

      i agree with u n i feel that the a-wing is comparable to F4U Corsair

  • Andrew F. Nelsen
    Andrew F. Nelsen 2 months ago

    That would be because Lucas based the space combat in SW on WWII fleet / air combat tactics.
    He's stated that openly on multiple occasions.

  • Lakota Santarpio
    Lakota Santarpio 2 months ago +5

    Great Work! So glad I found your channel what you do is very professional.

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